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# Appearance on Beyond the Cover Podcast
- URL: https://www.racketpublishing.com/blog/beyond-the-cover-podcast/
- Published: 2023-09-12T01:12:32.000Z
- Updated: 2026-06-15T13:22:40.000Z
- Description: A fun chat about an array of interesting topics.
- Author: Phil Simon
- Tags: Future of Work, Podcasts, Publishing, The Nine, Writing

Amy Shamroe of [Jenkins Group](https://www.jenkinsgroupinc.com/?ref=racketpublishing.com) let me appear on her pod to talk about writing, publishing, my evolution as an author, [*The Nine*](https://www.philsimon.com/books/the-nine?ref=racketpublishing.com), and how COVID-19 changed work. Somehow, I worked Kierkegaard, Pearl Jam, Toni Morrison, and football into the discussion.

It was an absolute blast.

[The 46 Non-Writing Hats Skilled Non-Fiction Ghostwriters Wear - Racket PublishingThoughts on one of the most diverse, interesting, challenging, and rewarding jobs on the planet.![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/33/fa/33fa879c-f3fb-496e-890f-14505310beac/content/images/icon/image-2-7.jpg)Racket PublishingPhil Simon![](https://storage.ghost.io/c/33/fa/33fa879c-f3fb-496e-890f-14505310beac/content/images/thumbnail/hats.png)](https://www.racketpublishing.com/blog/writing/ghostwriter-hats/)

Give it a listen below.